JustGoFly

450T Motors

Specifications

Max Current: 25 Amps 3S
KV: 1700
Poles: 12
Weight: 64 grams
Size: 27.7 mm diameter
Shaft Diameter: 3.17mm
Max Watts: 250
Power Usage: 2S, 3S,4S supported.

Tech Info

 

450T Brushless Motor

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Direct drive on 7 inch prop (8x4 max)

 

Videos

Vinnie - running 7x5 props on the TwinJet with 3S 2100 LiPo's.

 

RACE TRACK !

TwinJet

Part One

TwinJet

450T Pushers on 7x5 apc e prop

It can fly faster -but I love this setup.
Extremely controllable, Infinite climb, and just so much fun to fly. Flight was too long to have on one video - so broken into two.

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TwinJet

Part Two

TwinJet

450T Pusher Brushless Motors

32 Amp ESC's

dual 2200 15C LiPo's

7x5 APC e Prop's

TwinJet

Stryker on 450T

7x5 Prop

180 Watts cruising speed

240 Watts Max in full speed climb

This is a nice setup - try a 7x6 for even more speed with equally good thrust at higher amp draw.

TwinJet on 450T Maiden

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7x7 Props

Dual JustGoFly 32 Amp Speed Controllers

Dual JustGoFly 2200 mah 15C, 3S LiPo Batteries

Thrust close to 4 pounds total

Speed - 101 mph static as measured on bench testing

450T TwinJet Setup

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I'm setting up my TwinJet to run both the High Speed and Mid Speed configuration. The above photo shows the 450T - mid speed version of the 450TH. This conversion can be done at the field by removing the bells and sliding on new bells to change the KV from 1700 to 3000. You'll need to drop you prop size and before going to the field remove the tiny C Clip that holds the bells on. Flying without the C Clip should have no bad effects. It is possible that dragging the prop on landing could cause the bell to remove and in the worst case pulling the bearing out. So watch for this and choose if this is how you want to setup. I intend to setup the above plane for 7x7 on 450T which provides almost 2 lbs of thrust per motor - combined 2 oz's shy of 4 lbs of thrust. Each motor pulls 29 amps at 10.5 volts and has our 32 amp ESC, Measured speed is 101 mph static. This is a thrust setup, the 450TH on a 4.75x4.75 prop will be a speed setup.

Note the dual 2200 15C packs in the fuselage. This spacing sets the CG Perfectly and we are around 2lbs 4oz's. The EPP insert, that I made added a couple of oz's.

Some work in progress - Dual 450T in TwinJet

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I'm working on a Multiplex TwinJet to run dual 450T motors. Once I get a handle on it with the dual 450T's I will swap bells and run a 450TH for blistering speed. I many times want to just run with lower speed and higher thrust. Only if I'm at a large field and it's safe to fly 120+ mph would I mount the smaller props and higher speed bell. I've added alot of re-enforcement to the plane since I intend to stress it severely. I put a CF 1mm thick tape across the bottom of the wing. Embedded a 1mm CF rod in the elevons, Put flat CF tape on both sides of the Elevons. I've experienced the first thing to flutter when pushing pylon style planes is the rear stabilizers will start singing from the rapid vibration of pushing the plane too fast. The CF tape should remove that from this setup. I like using Aluminum mounts since they act as heat sinks to remove any heat from the motor. I picked up some 2" x 2" 1/8 thick L bracket from my LHS and formed a nice little bracket for mounting the motors. Use the X Style mount as a template for the screw holes.

Maiden Video: TwinJet Video

Update 12-30-06: I've been flying this Jet all summer. I love the 7x7, 7x6, 7x5 props. The Jet is one I will fly at 80 mph low and slow it down to about 30 for slow flight and still have great control. It spins like a top in high rates, so I'm constantly flicking back and forth between the rates. I like to fly at all high rates, but sometimes don't trust my reactions. I have had only one crash and that was doing high alpha about 20 feet above the ground and a collet screw came loose. The prop came off and I didn't realize it. The plane spun in, I instinctively powered up to regain control and added a tighter spin to the dive. Nose first - but totally repaired and still flying very well. The batteries took no damage due to the foam fillet. I have carved passage ways in the fillet to allow more air to the batteries. Other than that - I have done virtually no tweaks. It was perfect from the start. I do recommend a squarely aligned L bracket. My first mount was angled and that caused the nose to climb. At full throttle I had to hold the nose down with the elevons. Square she flys perfectly, although with less High Alpha capability. All of the strengthening and STD Servos have no failed me.

450T Videos

Wing Craig's Splat R/C Wing

Wing Craig's Splat R/C Wing Vid #2

Wing/Jet Vinnie's Blue Core Stryker Wing

and another easy flying video on the TL Wing
450T Video TL Wing

450T Brushless Motor

The 450T is the 450TH with a Mid Speed bell. If you have a 450TH, you can run it with both 3000Kv and the 450T's 1700Kv. The reason you might want to do this is to run larger props or higher voltage. I like this on a 7x5 prop for decent speed and good thrust. When maidening a new airplane, use the MID Speed bell and work out the airplane, setting it up with higher control since you'll have higher thrust than the 450TH. Then put in the High Speed bell and run at very high speed.

450T Performance Charts

450T Direct Drive Tests

 

Motor

Gearing

Prop Diameter (inches)

Blade pitch

Blade Make and style

Voltage at ESC

Thrust (g)

Thrust (oz)

RPM

Amps

Watts

Thrust (g/w)

Pitch speed (MPH)

Comments

450T

1

6

2

APC Sport

7

105

3.7

12000

4.7

33

3.2

22.7

Very conservative setup. Low thrust, low amps, low speed, low everything - don't bother with this prop. Extremely efficient but it's a gnat on the back of this beast. RPM efficiency (95-98%)

 

1

6

2

APC Sport

8

150

5.3

13600

5.7

46

3.3

25.8

 

1

6

2

APC Sport

9

190

6.7

15350

6.6

59

3.2

29.1

 

1

6

2

APC Sport

10

238

8.4

16700

7.9

79

3

31.6

 

1

6

2

APC Sport

11

286

10.1

18300

9.2

101

2.8

34.7

450T

1

6

5.5

APC e

7

201

7.1

10800

10.2

71

2.8

56.3

Tested upto 4S.  Very good thrust and high speed at amps that you can run all day long wide open throttle. 4S - too High Watts.
RPM efficiency (77-88%)

 

1

6

5.5

APC e

8

258

9.1

12300

12.4

99

2.6

64.1

 

1

6

5.5

APC e

9

318

11.2

13600

14.8

133

2.4

70.8

 

1

6

5.5

APC e

10

374

13.2

14800

17.2

172

2.2

77.1

 

1

6

5.5

APC e

11

439

15.5

15950

19.6

216

2

83.1

 

1

6

5.5

APC e

12

505

17.8

17100

22.5

270

1.9

89.1

 

1

6

5.5

APC e

13

558

19.7

18000

25.0

325

1.7

93.8

 

1

6

5.5

APC e

14

612

21.6

18900

27.5

385

1.6

98.4

450T

1

7

3

APC Sport

7

269

9.5

11500

7.8

55

4.9

32.7

Tested upto 4S. Middle speed and  very good thrust. Amps are low so this is the setup for your large wing or slow flyer that you want to conserve on batteries but want higher thrust.
Very Efficient RPM setup (84-94%)

 

1

7

3

APC Sport

8

337

11.9

12950

9.5

76

4.4

36.8

 

1

7

3

APC Sport

9

420

14.8

14350

11.4

103

4.1

40.8

 

1

7

3

APC Sport

10

499

17.6

15650

13.3

133

3.8

44.5

 

1

7

3

APC Sport

11

590

20.8

16900

15.3

168

3.5

48

 

1

7

3

APC Sport

12

692

24.4

18200

17.7

212

3.3

51.7

 

1

7

3

APC Sport

13

785

27.7

19350

19.7

256

3.1

55

 

1

7

3

APC Sport

14

879

31

20450

22.1

309

2.8

58.1

450T

1

7

5

APC e

7

360

12.7

10350

13.7

96

3.8

49

Good thrust, middle speed, amps are within spec for the motor, but make sure you have at least 15C 2000 mah amp batteries. RPM efficiency (73-85%)

 

1

7

5

APC e

8

442

15.6

11450

17.0

136

3.3

54.2

 

1

7

5

APC e

9

522

18.4

12500

4.0

36

14.5

59.2

 

1

7

5

APC e

10

604

21.3

13300

23.8

238

2.5

63

 

1

7

5

APC e

11

658

23.2

14030

27.1

298

2.2

66.4

450T

1

8

4

GWS HD

7

468

16.5

10400

13.6

95

4.9

39.4

Mid Speed, Nice thrust. Nice on 3S and 15C 2000 mah battery.  Don't go higher than 3S on this the prop can't handle higher than 14100 RPM. RPM efficiency (74-85%)

 

1

8

4

GWS HD

8

570

20.1

11550

16.6

133

4.3

43.8

 

1

8

4

GWS HD

9

680

24

12500

19.6

176

3.9

47.3

 

1

8

4

GWS HD

10

794

28

13400

23.0

230

3.5

50.8

 

1

8

4

GWS HD

11

879

31

14100

26.0

286

3.1

53.4

450T

1

8

8

APC e

7

456

16.1

8000

26.0

182

2.5

60.6

Mid to high speed 2S setup on a battery capable of 30 amps.  Least efficient RPM setup (61-65%). She's working hard.

 

1

8

8

APC e

8

493

17.4

8500

29.1

233

2.1

64.4

 

450T Performance Charts from Dr. Kiwi

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